I want an F4s or an F4e (mb23?) so badly it kills me but it seems like every time I find one on the net they are gone before I can say I will take it , or I am broke. More often than not as of late I am broke, and I have more pressing things to spend my money on a lot of the time as we are often at the hospital when the spouse is getting chemo. Eventually I hope to get one within my budget. The F4 was the Ferrari of 35mm cameras that I only dreamed about back in the 80's.