Oh, I forgot to add that the last two examples you have of the Tech Pan shots are the type lighting that always worked best for me. Slightly compressed brightness range/lower contrast. Landscapes were fine if I wanted a little less shadow detail or let a little bet of sky go(burning in later). I tried filters(25, 8, 12 Pola), but then my ASA/ISO dropped down to near nothing. Still. I could make my 35mm look just like 4X5 under the right conditions. JohnW