Quote Originally Posted by Bill Burk View Post
I hope I don't sound like I'm harping, it's just that I don't feel like I explained it very well, so I keep rephrasing
Me too.

Quote Originally Posted by Bill Burk View Post
The black in our scene is blacker than the blackest black on any print. Because the black in our scene is in the shade.
We may very well choose that black you describe as our print's black point though. The whites in the scene may also be a lot more luminant than the paper can physically represent too. That doesn't mean we won't try to get those two subjects/points on the same sheet of paper.

If we choose to use those points to define our photo and to straight print; the black you describe becomes zone zero, the white I described becomes zone ten; regardless of if they are 8 or 15 stops apart.

A print is always an abstract representation and it is dependent on its own lighting too. Under soft general lighting it will have one look and measured set of characteristics, if under a halogen spot with a dark surround it will appear and measure differently.