Hi all, Thanks for replying. I know that the paper I am trying to make myself is as slow as can be. But I have high hopes of these new LED's. Anyway the ceiling in my darkroom is a bit on the low side, so I need something far flatter than the huge dome that sits on the enlarger now. On the other and Denise Ross of the Lightfarm might come up with a new recipe that makes enlarging an option. Anyway the ceiling you know. Thanks again. Henk.