Thanks guys. I might get some papers from Adorama to try their FB 8.5x11 for my contact printing. I haven't tried FB yet so i think this is better than getting the 11x14 almost twice the price. I do contact printing on 5x7 paper for 4x5 film/paper negs sometimes even on 16x21cm papers. 5x7 film / paper negs in 8x10 paper. I did cut some watercolour papers for my alt printing. from 5x7, 16x21cm, 8x10 to 9.75x11.75. I just thought that 8.5x11 is too small for 8x10 for margins but i was wrong. i'll get some FB to play with my soon to be 8x10 negs.