I got a motorized Beseler 4x5 w/color had and carriers to fit every format from Instamatic to 4x5 for $40 from a lab. I'd rather have condensers though, so one of these days I'll look for them. Alsohad a mint 150mm El-Nikkor N given to me by a friend. I don't even shoot 4x5 (I go up to 6cmx7cm) but I couldn"t resist all this.