Thanks Just so long as I don't come off as a beggar. Here lately all ebay has had is overpriced buy-it-nows. I don't do those. And it's all high priced Schneiders, Nikkors, or Rodenstock. All I need is come old lens that covers 8x10 and the shutter. Air shutter, mechanical, I don't care. I know they're out there. Just nothing on the auction sites I can find. Thank you.