Thanks. And I hear you. That's why I thought I'd ask here. Looked at keh and adorama and there are none to be found. The one sold one on eBay was like $2500. But that's likely a fluke if there are active listings for 1300. Seems to be pretty uncommon though. And hard to adapt to other mounts except nikon and Olympus from what I'm seeing so I can't use it easily on my pentax gear. Guess I don't need to with two leicaflex bodies though huh? Seriously there are other cameras I'd like more though so I could end up selling it all to fund another camera Id like to have. Maybe an M6 or something.