I'm the one who chimed in about Leica being pointless. At the same time I know full well that the Germans really do make the best of the best. They make some junky stuff too, but all in all, when they make the best, it IS the best. As for me, I just don't see paying Leica prices. Being a poor man, there's a point of diminishing returns, and Leica prices have passed that point for me. If I won the lottery, which I don't even buy tickets for, I'd probably find me a mint M4 original. Right after I found a gorgeous 30 year old blond to marry.