I agree with that and have stopped using my Pentacon 6, but the Arax 60 version of the Kiev 60 that I bought to replace it has been quite reliable and lets you use the same P-6 mount Zeiss Jena lenses. Some of the Ukrainian lenses aren't bad either. I would NOT recommend an un-modified Kiev 60, or the far more complex Kiev 88 (even in its Arax iteration).