tomtom an apugger works at a camera store locally here in the San Francisco bay area. She does the ordering for that store. At the farewell party for wfwhitaker, she told me that she had spent over an hour talking to the direct inhouse person at Ilford in the UK and it was him that told her that one of the items being brought back was the postcard stock. If direct from one of the main people at Ilford to an apugger is not good enough I don't know what is. The store she works for is Looking Glass in Berkeley California.