</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (c6h6o3 @ Nov 18 2002, 09:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I was being conservative. The level of density he&#39;s talking about goes way beyond anything attributable to stain.

BTW, I get more fog stain with Bergger than with HP5+. This is probably due to the longer development times.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I dont know, I was once playing with a pyro formula I found in a focal press book, and let me tell you the negatives could be used for arc welding. They were correctly exposed and developed to the suggested time and boy were they thick. After a few negs I was tired of trying to tame the formula so I stop playing with it, but adding sodium sulfite helped a lot. Thus my reasoning about David&#39;s problem. There are many variables that need to be accounted for like temperature, concentrations etc, to be able to really trouble shoot this problem.

More stain with Bergger? .....hmm.....I am surprised...