[jnanian]

Thanks John, you've given me something to chew on (really like your coffee series by the way!)

Murray

(added later) I just searched the galleries and those photographs taken for a coffee shop are gone...they were yours, right?

thanks for the compliments about the coffee series murray!

sorry, i tend to put'em up, and after a week or 2 i take'm down

oh, about bookbinding books:
you might want to check out keith smith's series. if you wanna get fancy, he has all sorts of stitches &C in these books of his ...
http://www.keithsmithbooks.com/

careful though -- book-making is a lot of fun and kind of addicting.

ian greant, here on apug, makes hand stitched books too -
absolutely beautiful ones!

take care

john