Thanks for the alternative to Bienfang Kerik.

I love the look but you are right, it is a royal pain in the bottom when it is wet....very fragile.

It is however, a darn good paper for cyanotype, salted paper, van dyke brown, kallitype and pt/pd. In workshops I find that students are able to coat Bienfang right off the hop much better than just about any paper.

I will look into the others that you mentioned.