Talking of MGIV, I just did a print on the fiber version. Printed for normal density, selenium toned it in KRS 1/6 for 4 minutes, then about 3.5 minutes in fotospeed copper at standard dillution. Came out quite nice, though the skin tones in the picture were initially a bit of a problem. I'm hoping to get a copper effect without the obvious split tone effect you get on a warm paper. Seems to work quite nice, with the selenium holding down the backs and the copper picking up the highlights. Hoping that the selenium not only makes life easier by holding down the blacks but that the print will have a reasonable display life rather than the short life of straight copper toned prints. Any thoughts?