Could be Ed, I haven't met either man. And despite all of the attacks on both, I really doubt either one could get where they are if they were dunces. Well maybe you could say that about ex-president mr....never mind.

My point was to make an equally off topic ad hominem attack that fit in with darkrooms. All other posibilities didn't have as good a darkroomish punch line. (GWB taught me that word)

I am off to stir things up over at WWW.DemocraticUnderground as that's where well reasoned political discussions belong.

Dmin