[QUOTE=dsullivan;419800]A toy camera is normally cheap, has a fixed shutter speed and tend to be made of plastic (including the lens).

How about the Kershaw Penguin, for instance? It's a metal folding camera but with a simple meniscus lens and one shutter speed. Results are of much less optical quality than a Holga... Or the Agfa Clack made of pressed metal, with a simple menisucs and one shutter speed? Do these cameras not qualify?

Should we include "fixed focus" cameras which are clearly more primitive than a Diana which has continuous focus from 4' to infinity?

No one ever includes the $1.00 110 format cameras that fit on keyrings and the like. Why is that?

Just thinking out loud.

Russ