I personally don't see the B&W market "continue to plunge" as I think it bottomed some time ago, and if anything, may rebound a slight bit as the increased popularity of photography in general begins to trickle back to the foundation. B&W hasn't been huge for a long time. It seems clear that Forte's woe's have to do with the closure of AGFA, and resulting B&W product bubble, and an outdated plant. Agfa's closure was not due to its B&W line, but rather the decline for its other products, and poor management. I think we are experiencing market corrections and consolidations that are normal to the current enviroment for B&W products, and that a stability will soon be reached, with slightly higher prices, and a bit less choice. I think this thread is important, but it has allot of unwarrented doom and gloom. I love Polywartone, but if I can't get it, I'll switch to something else. NBD. Color on the other hand, will continue to suffer beatings, excepting paper (lightjet etc.) and it will remain to be seen if there will be enough of a market for anyone but Fuji.