</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RAP @ Feb 10 2003, 03:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Then what happens to all the war photographs of carnage?
Are these displayed for shock purposes or to educated?&nbsp; If someone is shocked, horrified, saddened at the sight of such human perversions, I would think that would indicate someone who has a good moral conscience.

You want to talk about images that are displayed for shocking purposes, what about all the so called artistic nudes?&nbsp; Where do you draw the line on art vs pornography, vs even child pornography which is illegal.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
There are even more example of shock in art.
I went to my bookcase ... St. Sebastian is a martyr used as a subject in a number of classical works ... from "Art Treasures of the National Gallery London" - commenting on "St. Sebastian", by Matteo Di Giovanni, ca. 1475:
"At least twelve arrows are imbedded in the Saint, for he was shot with arrows before execution".
Not a pleasant image. Not intended to be a pleasant image - and most probably done with the intent of promoting a particular emotion.

My point is that "pleasantness" is not, necessarily, a pre-requisite for art. After all, some Crucifixes .. accurate images of someone dying a most horrible death on the cross - are some of the most significant works of art man has ever made.

Pornography ... whoo ...&#33;&#33;&#33;

This is an opening for the widest variety of opinons imaginable ... I have heard everything from "It should not even be consideration in art" to "The exposure of ANY flesh below the chin (come to think of, those who support the wearing of Burkhas are even more intense) is absolutely disgusting pornography."

I don&#39;t know what it is ... If the Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States, in all their "augustness", couldn&#39;t figure it out, what chance do *I* have?
My opinon:- When I see *any* viable evidence (Please&#33;&#33; - NOT "everyone knows") I will be against it. Until then, I&#39;m not going to burn out my internal fuses trying to force others into limiting their art.

An interesting study would be the elimination of pornography laws in Scandinavia - around the mid 1970&#39;s(?). The guardians of the public morality were outraged - this would be the end of all civilization - the would be a holocaust of sexual crimes - no woman wold be safe on the streets ...
What happened? - The polar oposite -- Pornographic magazines were flying of the shelves for about a month - and then died. The crime statistics were closely monitored ... there was an immediate REDUCTION in all sexually related crimes - and all violent crime. The incidence of rapes dropped dramatically.

In light of the cause and effect - dare I say it? Apparently the change - to the easy availablity of out-and-out pornography - was a - gasp - good thing&#33;

I&#39;ve often wondered about our value system - where pornographic videos are tightly restricted to "behind the swinging doors" - and ONLY FOR THOSE OVER EIGHTEEN"; and "The 40 Faces of Death" - actual scenes of horrible deaths of human beings - and "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" - are available to every impressionable twelve-year-old.