Thanks, that all makes sense. That article that Tom pointed out helped a lot. I'm not really trying to improve upon Rodinal (if that makes sense, I just figure how do I know if Rodinal is the "best" if I haven't tried the others) I got to reading and to me it sounded as if wd2d+ is a good choice (actually it seems as if all of them have their strong points, but...). But I don't see a lot of people talking about it, nor do I see a lot of people using it (in comparison to pyrocat and PMK) How come? One last question, are most pyro developers one-shot or reuseable (whatever the fancy name is for that)? Once again, thanks for everyone's help, I really appreciate it. -Grant