Interesting point about the automation. I myself find that I learn more using my old Crown Graphic than I do with my F80. The F80 for me is for those situations where I need TTL flash (useful automation when you are outside the studio) and I need to shoot right away. Even then I find myself keeping it in aperture mode and being much more thoughtful with my shots. I have never used the program modes, in fact I probably use a fraction of the automation on it. Automation is not all that.