Thanks for the reply. I don't have any Pyrocat-HD and no Rodinal (good news from my local supplier is that they are getting it again, but I digress). I do have FG7 and love the results at 1:3 and 1:15 but was curious if any one has actually tried FG7 at 1:100 or 1:200 with stand development. Right now I am debating spending the time testing FG7 with water bath dev on HP5 or minimum agitation.