great! thanks all. i will try 12-14 min. tonight or tomorrow. i shot 2 negs for each subject today and i will try 13 min....what the heck ( i can adjust the 2nd neg accordingly). i also shot 2 sheets of the same scene at twice the exposure. what would you all suggest for a decrease in development % for a one stop increase of exposure? ball parks are fine. i play well in ballparks.

i have very good results with foma 100 in hc110 so i anticipate the same using pyrocat hd. i ma trying to set myself up for some van dyke and kallitype printing. thanks again. i will report back.

eddie