Ian, thank you for responding and for the Ilford link. I will get the Ilford paper developer tomorrow. It's 1am here in chicago and i have the urge to make my first print and i only have Kodak hc-110 and Calbe r09 developers, i know it sounds crazy but i cant sleep with all the excitment over me making my first print and im trying to find how i can use the developers i have here. I guess i need photography rehab very bad.
jim

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