I'd forgotten about the vitamin C in orange juice. Maybe I'll give it a try, just for the heck of it! Oh, and I do know about caffeinol, paRodinal, and other home-brew developers. I didn't mean to start a re-hash of discussions about them, just solicit opinions on OJ, since I didn't recall ever seeing it mentioned as a possible developer. FWIW, I didn't notice coffee amongst the products they had available, but they didn't provide viewers with a clear list, either.