Guillaume, I didn't know that Patrick lives in Culver City. He is the master and I'm just doing this for my own enjoyment. When I get The Beast II done (11x14) I would love to get together for a beer down your way and I'll bring both beast's with me. By the way I'm thinking about building an 8x10 now and then selling my Seneca Improved. I guess I have a love for Walnut cameras. If I do a third one at least it would be faster! And I said no more! I really am crazy!! I'll let you know when I'm done, it would be great to meet you.