Quote Originally Posted by jdef
Jim, I respectfully disagree. If the second half of my statement is true, then the first half must be true as well.
What do you mean, then, by 'incidental'? Does that mean that the relationship is irrelevant (by virtue of its being non-existant) or that it's just a tangential one? I took you to mean the latter.

If I'm to be bound by your logic then I guess I think you're wrong about the second part. Thinking out loud: if art is, as I believe it to be, expression given form then it must follow that it cannot exist until the craft is well enough developed. The more I mull this over the more I become convinced that Ansel Adams was right: craft can exist without art (the proverbial "sharp picture of a fuzzy concept") but not the other way around.