Quote Originally Posted by Fotoguy20d View Post

In general, I think Adorama's ratings are very fair in terms of glass but only fair to slightly optimistic in terms of cosmetics (but I still buy used from them) and KEH's tend to be very fair to pesimistic (as in, it'll be better than they say)

Dan
My Minolta 807si from KEH was rated EX+, but I'd call it mint. It's that good. OTOH my last used camera from Adorama was a Pentax ME Super that they rated E+... generously.