Ok I lied a bit. It is not an Ideal 383 but 385. Here's apic:

It says this on it: ica akt:ges. dresden. To bad it doesn't have a lens But I have an anstigmat lens 150 mm wich should fit I gues.
Of the smaller camera I can't say if it is the same brand. I will get a pic later from that one. It had a lens but it was broken. The outside metal cover was broken in half and the shutterleaf don't go back quickly. So I would like to try and fix it but don't if it will work. Glass is not clear either. Well it will keep me busy for a while.