Now a REAL EBAY RANT
It's noticeable that there's still no credible alternative to Ebay, I do still buy smaller items, books, equipment that's rarer in the UK/US. I buy across Ebay, the .com, .co.uk and the .de and once .it as not everything maps across properly from one Ebay portal to another on international searches.
The OP seems to be more interested in selling than buying, and I've ben looking closely at UK sales particularly as around 3 maybe 4 Ebay Stores seem to be rather pre-dominant with heavily inflated prices particularly of Medium Format and even more so Large Format equipment.
Typically 90mm f6.8 Angulon's are being sold (or rather offered for sale with a "Buy It Now price") for 2-3 times the usual average final auction price of a sale on Ebay, and also the prices of reputable traditional dealers. This is just the most obvious example but there are plenty of others, $600-$700 (US) Speed & Crown Graphics are another, then Xenar's, Symmar's etc it's always the same.
It's like a cartel, all these UK Ebay stores are I think linked through the UK Camera fair circuit, I'm collecting data for a journalist who is digging far deeper Essentially what they do is list and re-list the same items so many times in the hope that people assume those are the going rates for the items, then they list a bit cheaper and hpoe people will buy, still way over the market price. They've effectively killed private sales on Ebay in the UK. in the past 18 months.
The good UK dealers who also have an Ebay store tend not to have many items listed with a "Buy It Now" prices and when they do have fairly priced items, whether on Ebay or in their High Street shops or own websites.
I complained to Ebay about this last year and had no response to my specific questions, I did get a personal acknowledgement though.
To be credible I need to give examples:
90mm f6.8 Angulon's are being listed on Ebay.co.uk for between £230-£260 "Buy It Now" The average Ebay Auction price is £80-£100, and isn't far different to the US where a nice one sold for $153.50 a couple of days ago.
A reputable UK seller and sometimes APUG advertiser MW Classics sells them for around £150 maximum same condition etc and is probably open to haggling, that's from his store & will have a limited warranty. MW Classic also list & sell them on Ebay with NO RESERVE so they know exactly what they fetch at market prices. I'm not writing about shops and dealers making a fair living, they have to make a profit, & when they sell outside Ebay they usually offer a warranty - it'll be 3-6 months usually. What I'm saying is a small number of people are trying to rip us off via Ebay in the UK, and that really means the less knowledgeable are the most vulnerable.
I'll finish my rant against Ebay by saying one UK Ebay store had over 1300 items with very few selling last week, on another the same Eurynar lens has been listed & re-listed now for at least 15 months
There are a lot of very good & fair Trade sellers in the UK using Ebay, the Real Camera Company (Manchester), Vintage & Classic Camera Co, MW Classic's and many many more but it's the very small number who swamp Ebay that are the problem.
You know who you are you read APUG !!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by Ian Grant; 09-24-2009 at 12:05 PM. Click to view previous post history.
Reason: Spelling but I'll name the seller's soon