Thank you Seele, you are correct in your statements. I just thought that the money spent on an older Rangefinder would be less than a new or used Bessa 2. Factoring in all the likely repair costs it will probably come out the same. Currently I am watching on E-Bay a Contax copy from the eastern block and a Contax from East Germany with a Zeiss Jena lens. They appear to be Contax II's not the A models with the better shutters. Also a Canon 7 but that one is going to be too expensive. here is one of them here is another I will watch to see what happens. Thank you again for the reply and suggestions. Regards Peter