The two guys whose names are at the bottom were (are?) both in the Stony Brook Camera Club in Wrentham, MA. That's the club I was in up there. Both are great guys and Ray is incredibly creative. I wish the group luck and I wish I could be there to join.
And I know I mentioned APUG to both of them. Mike is a member, but I don't know if he stops by much. Neither is big on using computers, I don't think.